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hey this is Bryant Arnold also known as

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dragon from Skinwalker Ranch and you're

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Michael if you don't mind giving us five

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more minutes of your time not even that

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um I just want to get your thoughts so

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the quick fire around I normally ask for

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a couple of words or a sentence just on

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a topic or a person some of them have

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kind of touched on but just as a very

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very quick summary if you don't mind and

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then we'll finish let's do it so the

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first one we've talked about on Non-Stop

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but is going to be Steven Greer

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misunderstood

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the next one would be at Twitter Stars

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Academy

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definitely not what it seems

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and uh certainly well-intentioned but

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misguided

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oh the most misunderstood of all

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extremely

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Advanced

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biological entities not to be confused

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with

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interdimensional beings ghosts Angels

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demons for Richard Doty in an alien

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costume

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uh overplayed I'm I'm kind of bored with

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it it's definitely real uh lots of crazy

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going on there it's my

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understanding but don't necessarily

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quote me on this that the reason why

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it's such a hub uh for activity is that

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there were a lot of uh Advanced use app

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which is unacknowledged special Access

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program uh experiments going on there

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and they you know kind of like stranger

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things kind of stuff so that that uh has

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kind of turned it into a hot spot

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but um I I haven't studied it too

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closely because you know I'm fascinated

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with with the wider phenomenon not just

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this one location that everyone obsesses

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over for some reason

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it was awesome that two more that one is

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consciousness the only thing we can be a

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hundred percent sure is real

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and it's literally the only thing that

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we can be a hundred percent sure is real

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uh and yet our current scientific

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Paradigm tells us that it doesn't

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actually exist and that your conscious

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experience is an illusion

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so think about that realize how absurd

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it is

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and then ask yourself well what else are

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they wrong about

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and what

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what new paradigm might we replace that

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with

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and then if we look at ETS through that

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new paradigm how does the whole

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and the last one is disclosure

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it means a lot of different things to a

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lot of people for me

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the closest thing we're ever going to

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get to uh to what most people think of

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as disclosure you know press conference

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stuff like that it happened in 2001 at

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the national Press Club

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you know I think that's the best we're

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gonna get

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and

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you know we we've got to stop looking

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to a solution external to ourselves for

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this

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um if you if you understand

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Consciousness you understand the science

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of Consciousness if you understand this

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revolution that's taking place in

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physics and medicine and biology and

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philosophy all these fields converging

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this question of Consciousness and if

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then uh

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um everything outside of you is a

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projection of what's within you

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you know if you want to live in a

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post-disclosure world then we have to

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work on ourselves and we have to create

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that within ourselves and we have to

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become worthy of that and that's what

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that's what the ce5 community is all

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Michael it's been great speaking with

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you thank you very much for your time

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much appreciated and look forward to

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speaking to you again on the show

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absolutely not you're right thank you

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for the questions folks there was a few

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other ones sent in but just do your time

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constraints and also the the body of the

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interviewer fans had quite a lot of

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those as well just to finish off on the

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quick fire round it's a few words or

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sentences on various projects and topics

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uh and then we'll kind of finish off so

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the first one would be the Montauk

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project

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foreign I thought you might say that the

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next one would be and this one's kind of

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for me The Men Who static goats the

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movie have you seen it

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if you read the book

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no I have it do you know what it's about

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yes yeah okay is it something you're

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gonna see or do you just chose not to I

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choose not to okay but I believe in the

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abilities I I know they exist I just

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want not giving the tone of the film if

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you would if you would avoid it giving

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it as more comical and obviously a kind

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of fantasized given the nature to the

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thing it doesn't have to be does it so

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the next one would be the friendly and

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hostile ET narrative

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I only believe in the friendly EG

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narrative I'm not a subscriber to the

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Hostile EG narrative and I've never seen

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any convincing evidence there's plenty

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of stories about hostile negative

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experiences negative abductions but I'm

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highly suspect of those

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that's a very complex

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um subject he's someone that the UFO

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Community should always be incredibly

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grateful for for

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so many different things the Press Club

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event where he brought out all these

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people for all of his interviews but

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there's also a lot of fear-mongering

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with you know a giant fake UFO event and

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the government's going to be doing this

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and that

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um ce5

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um very real very important the

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technique is everything

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uh Tom DeLong

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uh fear monger

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and the last one I'd like to finish off

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with all the guests what does disclosure

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mean to you

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I'm revealing the reality that advanced

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civilizations have been visiting our

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excellent that's great uh lesson buddy

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it's been amazing talking with you if

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you want to just let the listeners know

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how they can get in touch with you how

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they can subscribe to your YouTube

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channel so I'm going to move on just to

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finish off or dragon on the quick fire

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round so I'm actually going to reel off

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some names of the cast at some places in

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a few other topics and I'm just looking

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for award a couple of words or a couple

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of sentences I'm not Precious on each

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just your thoughts on each of these okay

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okay so it's not trying to catch out

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with anything the first one would be

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uh enthusiastic and and Brilliant

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yeah he's he's a good guy yeah I I

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really he really is he's he's super

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enthusiastic and he's he's very smart

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and uh yeah I guess the last word I'll

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use his friend he's definitely a friend

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that's good to hear

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um although not too friendly for season

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two because obviously when I see you two

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could have button heads again in a

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friendly competitive Canary hey you know

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time so I'm I'm sure that there's

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probably a good opportunity that

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something at some point I'll happen okay

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I'm Scottish that's how we communicate

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his arguments so that's good that's

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right uh so the next one would be

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one of my closest friends

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um just an extremely kind and generous

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individual who is driven Beyond anyone

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I've ever met and is

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willing to

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be forthright and straightforward and is

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dedicated to figuring out and putting

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all of his resources into uncovering or

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at least getting a better understanding

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of what's going on at Skinwalker Ranch

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the closest thing to planet earth has to

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Bruce Wayne is Brandon Fuego so I like

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them and the next one would be Eric bald

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he is absolutely brilliant in so many

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different Realms and he is a brother

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I I love Eric and I

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think that Eric is the unsung hero of

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Skinwalker Ranch to be honest with you

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nice next one gem sagala

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uh Jim Segal is a a smart man he's

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definitely got that East Coast mentality

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and he kind of can be a little bit you

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know in your face a little bit and you

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know he and I did conflict a couple of

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times but uh Jim is also a friend and

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he's a he's a very smart man with you

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know a lot of knowledge and and a lot to

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add awesome uh next one former guest of

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Tom's a brother Thomas is uh he is one

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of the hardest working people I've ever

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met and is dedicated Beyond dedicated to

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Skinwalker Ranch and to the individuals

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associated with it and there is nothing

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that I've seen yet that that guy can't

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do when it comes to uh you know figuring

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things out and is

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you know if I say Eric's the unsung hero

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that's behind the science

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um Thomas Winterton is the lifeblood of

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Skinwalker Ranch and what keeps it up

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and running and

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you know day to day he keeps the place

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going yeah he's a great guy

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um Jim Morris

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you know he's he's just a kind kind man

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that can make friends with anybody he

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meets Jim's been invaluable to the

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relations with both the Native Americans

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and the community and uh Uncle Jim is

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just he's a dear friend and uh just one

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of the kindest Souls that I know

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skin walker Ranch it is

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it's craziness wrapped up in a barbed

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wire fence I guess

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um it's my favorite place on the planet

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where I

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when I'm away I miss it but when I'm

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here sometimes I want to get the hell

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away

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um it it is definitely a special place

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that I think holds some really

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incredible

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Mysteries or answers to Mysteries and

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questions that hopefully we can get to

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the bottom of but it is a place that

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needs to be respected

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awesome and the next one would be your

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thoughts on ce5

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ce5 so the contact method for summoning

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extraterrestrial craft in the sky oh my

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gosh I don't know I honestly I

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I don't have an opinion on that honestly

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I don't that's never had any of it tried

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on the site or uh no no we haven't okay

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might be interesting yeah well I'll

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definitely make note of that

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uh I believe in them

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I believe in them now I've seen one and

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well I've seen multiple and you know

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I'll take it to my grave I know what

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I've seen and and until someone can give

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me a better explanation of what I've

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seen with my own eyes uh UFOs are real

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and

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um I hope that we can find out more

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about them

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um second last one would be

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um I would say

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you know to me an extraterrestrial would

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be

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think that there's definitely an

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intelligence at play on Skinwalker Ranch

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and so I would say

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um you know I don't I don't know if an

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extraterrestrial is the little gray

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aliens that everyone you know thinks and

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Associates with an extraterrestrial but

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I I do believe that there is other life

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um outside of just what we know on this

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planet yeah I think more and more the

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inter-dimensional multi-dimensional

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theories coming into play with a lot of

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what's going on so uh skin walk around

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has been a big part of that and the last

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one I'd like to ask all my guests to

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finish on is their thoughts on

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disclosure

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I think it's I think it's vital

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I think that you know

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I know we take the standpoint that we

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want to share and we want to disclose

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and I wish that there was more of that

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out there I think that there are a lot

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of

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are already answers to as long as people

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would disclose that information so I

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think that disclosure is important and

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you know as a human race and a better

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understanding I think it's something

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that more needs to happen on every level

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of life

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dragon that is all we have time for

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you've been really generous with your

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time uh this afternoon where you are

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this evening when I so we're going to

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move on to the the kind of quick fire

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around Ryan and this will be as quick

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fire as you want it to be because some

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of the topics I'd love to hear your

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thoughts on just things that we can't

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cover in the body of the interview

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otherwise this would go four or five

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hours

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maybe keep some of it for the next one

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we'll do a second edition of the podcast

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um yeah absolutely I'm good at second

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editions I guess yeah no lesson I'll

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have to learn that as well following

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your footsteps so the first one's quite

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a big question and I don't know how much

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you'll answer of this but the phenomena

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um

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I don't know and I think that's the most

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responsible answer I can give uh I have

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theories I have thoughts I think it

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could be a plethora of things

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um phenomena is a way I really like to

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look at it as Lou Alexander does as well

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um I don't think we're dealing with one

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thing one anomaly one intelligence and I

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do think it's everything and nothing all

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at once so I think that's really man the

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most honest answer I can give there's so

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many of those I think could be

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extraterrestrial there's some I think it

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could be

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interdimensional or uh us from the

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future or or none of those things so

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yeah I cannot pretend to have a solid

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answer of what the phenomenon or

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phenomena are but I I'm willing to go

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down any route to try to find answers

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and I'm also willing to change my mind

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which a lot of people are not willing to

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do I'm not afraid to be wrong I'm not

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afraid to change my mind and uh yeah I

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hope it's everything and I hope um I

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hope it's

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I hope whatever it is that it's here

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it's interested in us for

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um good reasons uh no matter who what or

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where they are

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and that's again I'll say that's a fair

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response because my opinion is very

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malleable and fluid on the topic and I

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think for me to boil it down where I'm

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at right now with a lot of it is

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and especially what Louis are under and

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those types of people are getting at

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it's it's not just the what these things

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are but I think a lot of it will answer

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why things are in general and also how

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things how things kind of work you know

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if you ever want to know the meaning of

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life in the mysteries of the Universe I

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think a lot of that's tangled up within

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that this whole the phenomena as it's

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called so yeah no I I see why you've

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went down that route uh to the Stars

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Academy we've touched on you said you

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agree with some things disagree with

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others um a massive Fanboy for ttsa

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that's not to say they are perfect by

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any means but I feel I understand where

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they're going with what they're doing

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and why they're going about it that way

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so let's talk a lot about Twitter Stars

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Academy yeah let's dive in so when those

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articles first hit the first article in

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New York Times December 2017 and we got

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those videos what we had initial

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responses and thoughts

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uh holy I mean that that was my I

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literally said that out loud when I when

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I saw that that article drop I um and I

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was

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topic looking at that and being like Oh

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my God like what what is what is

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happening here so even as someone who

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has been uh looking at this topic for so

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long

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um and being blind signed it with this

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fact that the U.S pentagon was

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looking into this there were videos they

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didn't know what they were uh that that

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was concerning

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um but look that's what we've been

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chasing this entire time so I thought it

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was uh a bombshell uh in the best way we

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can use that word I thought it was

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exciting I thought it was scary and my

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initial impression was

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things are about to change uh New York

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Times has covered UFOs in the past but

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not to this extent and not you know with

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this many Heavy Hitters involved so my

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initial impression was holy and

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from there it's just continued to be

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holy

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I had a massive frustration with it very

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quickly I had all those thoughts you had

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however just the way I think as well if

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someone had asked the day before that

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article dropped unless you had prior

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knowledge if you asked any skeptic or

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just your the general public or even a

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believer you know anyone in neurology

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tomorrow a major news outlet has got a

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funny Runner story confirming the

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government has a UFO program they're

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going to release some videos you're

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going to see some pictures and they're

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going to be truly unidentified craft

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Woodies and you would get I think you

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would get no that'll never happen and

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yeah that would be enough for me that

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would be proof that would be incredible

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and for me it dropped that happened and

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most people Shrugged their shoulders and

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just went all and moved on and I was

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like that that's the problem it's never

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enough what what would be enough and

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it's if if you're talking about you know

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smoking guns and that would have been

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that would have been it and something

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myself and Jay talked about a few a few

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nights ago was the fact that an article

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this is where I read out in nephology an

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article has just dropped again in the

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New York Times that has cited crash

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retrieval programs and there are quotes

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regardless of the content text around

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off-world vehicles and it made page 17.

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and for me it's like if someone has said

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a couple of years ago that sort of

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content would be in a major news Outlet

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you would never have believed them and

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here we are getting that content and

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people are still arguing and frustrated

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and it's not the conversation's

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definitely moving forward there's been

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that paradigm shift and the way people

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are thinking but it's still a very slow

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process as part of disclosure and for me

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it's it's never going to be enough for

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most people and that's where I've had

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some frustrations with it

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um but but ttsa what they've done

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whether people have liked it or not

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there's been a lot of controversies the

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the media side of things I think they've

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been pretty transparent from the start

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that they've always announced they had

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the plan to raise shares they had the

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plan to have the media part of the

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company they wanted to write fiction and

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non-fiction novels to get their stories

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out there they wanted to produce TV

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series and movies what's your thoughts

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being on ttsa as a media company

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I think it's probably one of the most uh

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ambitious things Tom DeLonge could have

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done I mean I remember meeting Tom uh

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man I don't know six five or six years

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ago at a UFO conference he was like off

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in the corner and I had to do a double

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take I'm like is that the guy that I

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used to listen to at concerts drunk when

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I was like 18 years old yeah what is

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going on here

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um and then when I learned he had this

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extreme interest in the topic I'm like

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that's really cool and then we saw the

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progression of Tom's interest just build

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and build and build and he became more

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vocal about it up until this and look

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Tom has tried some incredible things in

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his time he started different companies

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stopped others he is a passionate

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ambitious person and that's you can't

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fault him for that so has he made

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mistakes along the way of course you

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know like I said earlier there's tweets

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I've regretted there's probably stuff he

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said that he's regretted uh I'm thinking

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of The Joe Rogan interview in particular

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but um but besides that the the creation

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of to the Stars Academy

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um is interesting I understand why

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people are skeptical or hesitant um I

527
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mentioned the name John Tenney before

528
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this guy's been in this weird world of

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UFOs for decades and decades and he's

530
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seen stuff like this happen before so I

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don't blame the older guard as it were

532
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of ufology to for saying be careful like

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people promise things and they don't

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happen or it's not what you think and

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maybe that could happen with what to the

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stars is doing but you're right they've

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been extremely up front and uh

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transparent about their what they were

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doing from the very start and Tom even

540
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said I remember from the very very start

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said

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my goal is to get information about UFOs

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maybe build one even but my my goal also

544
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on the other side of that in negotiation

545
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is to paint the military industrial

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complex in a good light and to promote

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the military as a positive thing and we

548
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see that playing out that's why all of

549
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this is painted as a threat because

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that's what the military deals with

551
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that's what the dod deals with that's

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what Lou Elizondo did for most of his

553
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life is he fought terrorism he fought

554
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you know possible incursions of our

555
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:41,940
nation and I don't blame him for taking

556
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:43,799
this threat narrative with all of this

557
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:45,059
so

558
00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:46,380
um yeah man I know that's kind of

559
00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,080
rambling but at the end of the day I

560
00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:51,539
highly respect everything they're doing

561
00:23:55,549 --> 00:23:53,340
um I think it's awesome that we're

562
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,559
getting a podcast by to the stars now

563
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:58,080
where we get to dig deeper and they do

564
00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:01,020
answer listener questions and everything

565
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,419
they're doing is leading to something

566
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:05,820
and there's a reason that all of this

567
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:08,220
information is I think rolling out

568
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:10,200
quicker than I think even to the Stars

569
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:13,320
expected it to what that reason is I

570
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:14,580
don't know

571
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,460
um I know Jeremy McGowan spoke to both

572
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,679
you and I about there there's a reason

573
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,600
for all of this trust me

574
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:22,799
um don't know when it's going to come

575
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:24,120
but it's probably going to come quicker

576
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:26,280
than any of us expect it maybe he's

577
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,860
right maybe he's wrong but I highly

578
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:30,480
highly respect the work that they're

579
00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:34,080
doing to the Stars Academy I try to

580
00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:37,020
remain an objective person in covering

581
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,380
it as responsible as a journalist or a

582
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:43,500
freelance writer can do I do not have

583
00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:46,500
any Financial stake in the company but I

584
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:48,659
support them you know I rock to the

585
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:50,820
Stars academy t-shirts I've got all the

586
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,580
books I try to read between the lines of

587
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,440
the truth and fiction in the in

588
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,360
everything they're doing and I I look

589
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:58,799
forward to everything that they come out

590
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,080
with and then it's up to you to decide

591
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,640
whether you want to follow that or not

592
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:03,840
so

593
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:06,179
um yeah all the power to them

594
00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:08,340
um they are passionate they have changed

595
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:10,580
the entire landscape of the conversation

596
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,260
and I really really look forward to

597
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:15,960
whatever's to come next for sure yeah at

598
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,880
the end of the day Tom Delong is not

599
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,159
enough for money he had more money than

600
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:22,679
he ever needed uh he's very passionate

601
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:24,120
about the subject some of the things

602
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,980
he's talked about on Twitter you know

603
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:28,559
the seven part the seven part tweets

604
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:30,600
about Atlantis and I don't know if you

605
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:32,520
ever saw the what if there was a

606
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:34,980
civilization here what if this what if

607
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:37,080
this story is about Atlantis and I

608
00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:38,220
imagine there's a lot of people he

609
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,000
speaks to maybe Lou maybe Chris Miller

610
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,679
read those tweets and send them a little

611
00:25:48,529 --> 00:25:45,840
private message saying Tom come on we

612
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:48,539
told you about that stop however we've

613
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:50,820
all been there yeah yeah that's it but

614
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:52,620
for me I'm a massive fan of the company

615
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:55,500
yep but there's that frustration around

616
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,400
going

617
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:58,860
a little bit dark if you want to call it

618
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,419
that with the the government involvement

619
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:02,159
however I think that can be seen is a

620
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,659
good thing too so yeah but we'll

621
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
definitely see what happens at the end

622
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,960
of it but let's hope it's going in a

623
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:08,159
good place

624
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,760
um

625
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,500
someone who has

626
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,720
tenuous links with two of the Stars if

627
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,760
only through a company that published

628
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,799
his autobiography would be Bob Lazar

629
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,720
what what are your general thoughts

630
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,640
because that this is it's incredible Bob

631
00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:22,559
Lazar as a story now is over 30 years

632
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:23,880
old

633
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:26,279
um a lot of controversy surrounds some

634
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,860
of the discrepancies in his history but

635
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,659
let's be honest most presidents it seems

636
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:32,159
these days can't prove you know where

637
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:33,659
they're born what their race is or where

638
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:36,900
they went to school so why not Bob Lazar

639
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,779
um again as a net packing is there

640
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:41,520
something to his story what what are

641
00:26:45,789 --> 00:26:42,840
your thoughts on how the bubbles are

642
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:45,799
story has evolved

643
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:48,539
I I met Bob

644
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,000
I think the same year I met Tom Delong

645
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:53,340
actually or saw Tom Delong I guess I had

646
00:26:59,529 --> 00:26:56,039
a Bigfoot sighting of Tom Delong

647
00:27:05,210 --> 00:26:59,539
um I think it was him uh

648
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:05,220
I have always stood firm on my stance on

649
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,600
Bob Lazar I believe Bob Lazar

650
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,120
did what he said he did I believe he

651
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:14,520
worked on something

652
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:17,940
very exotic something he could not

653
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,059
understand something his uh colleagues

654
00:27:26,110 --> 00:27:23,520
could not understand and I do believe

655
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:26,120
that he was told the things he was told

656
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:29,880
uh and that he saw what he saw

657
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:33,840
um other than that is it true was it a

658
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:36,120
extraterrestrial craft were there nine

659
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,799
saucers was he shown images of alien

660
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,000
bodies

661
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:44,640
um I don't know I can't pretend to know

662
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,980
um or was that information given to him

663
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:48,659
as part of some sort of disinformation

664
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:52,260
campaign that's very possible so when it

665
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,059
really comes down to it man

666
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:56,520
um it is one of the most sordid

667
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:00,000
controversial stories within ufology

668
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:02,460
um it's interesting it's extraordinary

669
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,500
but like melanoy says extraordinary

670
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,260
claims uh need extraordinary evidence or

671
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,539
proof and if Bob Lazar is going to come

672
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,220
forward with these things he has to be

673
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:13,500
willing to take the uh the hits and the

674
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:16,500
scrutiny and uh he has and I think he's

675
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:19,020
done a good job at at battling a lot of

676
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:21,659
that so at the end of the day I think he

677
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:22,860
is a very

678
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,799
um genuine person in how he's related

679
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:27,840
his story and look man after meeting him

680
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:31,380
uh face to face it doesn't change uh if

681
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:34,620
he's telling the truth or not but I I

682
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:35,940
tend to think I'm a good judge of

683
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,700
character and this guy does not want

684
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,279
fame he does not want acknowledgment he

685
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:42,960
wanted to get the story out there and be

686
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:44,039
done with it

687
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,960
um but people have pulled him out of the

688
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:48,000
woodwork to tell it again and maybe

689
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:49,559
that's good maybe that's bad I don't

690
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:51,720
know but uh end of the day we still have

691
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:52,980
the story

692
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,580
um we have the the book that came out in

693
00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:59,279
his own words supposedly if he did write

694
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:02,039
the autobiography I don't know uh but

695
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,380
it's an interesting story it'll never go

696
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:06,480
away people are very passionate about it

697
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:09,299
as they are many other things and um

698
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:12,840
I hope that someday we'll know and maybe

699
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:15,659
he'll finally get that Vindication uh he

700
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:17,220
tends to think he did with this off

701
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:19,260
world vehicle

702
00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:21,720
uh thing in the New York Times but I'm

703
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,419
still I'm still iffy about all that so

704
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:27,120
yeah again I uh hopefully we'll know the

705
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,299
truth someday but I believe that he saw

706
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:32,880
and did what he said he did what that

707
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:36,299
was I have absolutely no idea yeah

708
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:37,860
you've covered that pretty well I would

709
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,480
just see and that doesn't come from a

710
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:41,220
place of knowledge just a gut feeling I

711
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:42,899
don't think his story is finished yet

712
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:44,760
and I think there's still a little more

713
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:47,340
to come and whether that is uh total

714
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:49,620
debunking of the story and proving it's

715
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,220
false or the opposite where it gets that

716
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:55,620
proper Vindication of Juno water maybe

717
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,240
not for him because he feels he's got it

718
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:58,799
but for those of us who maybe follow the

719
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,899
story and want to know and want it to be

720
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:03,120
true that we find out yep here we go

721
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:04,860
this guy was telling the truth from the

722
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:06,779
start so I think that's still to come

723
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:09,539
what are your thoughts your thoughts on

724
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:16,130
um I think it's

725
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:18,779
interesting uh I watched the television

726
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,020
show I've spoken to individuals who've

727
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,380
been on the ranch uh whether as a

728
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:27,960
journalist or as a investigator and uh

729
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,059
everyone says the same thing man it's a

730
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:33,240
weird strange place it has an aura to it

731
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,899
uh it everything you can think of has

732
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:38,399
happened there it's a living laboratory

733
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,220
of strange weird stuff and um you just

734
00:30:44,529 --> 00:30:43,200
look at the history of the area itself

735
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:44,539
and that's

736
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,360
fascinating also so you know um I am

737
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,820
completely open to the possibility that

738
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:52,559
this is a condensed area of high

739
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,399
strangeness that maybe there's every

740
00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:59,279
possible mystery going on there we can

741
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:00,899
think of

742
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:02,700
um I look forward to the scientific

743
00:31:08,029 --> 00:31:04,740
exploration being done by the television

744
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,039
show again TV affords resources you

745
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,260
cannot get anywhere else and I can speak

746
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,140
from experience with working in the the

747
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:16,320
realm of Television I was given

748
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:19,020
resources to investigate cases that I

749
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:21,000
never would have gotten on my own or

750
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,120
been able to to Really dive into

751
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:26,760
um the Roswell incident in specific I

752
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:29,700
was able to get medals tested at an

753
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,039
aerospace laboratory I mean could you

754
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,840
imagine if I tried to do that myself or

755
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,760
like crowdfund for something like that

756
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:37,740
it's just not going to happen those

757
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,500
things aren't expensive so look

758
00:31:43,149 --> 00:31:41,760
um whether you love or hate the

759
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:43,159
television show

760
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,779
they have the resources to do things

761
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:47,340
that we have not been able to do before

762
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,100
at that ranch we have a very transparent

763
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,980
and open owner right now who's willing

764
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:55,080
to share that information whereas the

765
00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:57,720
previous owner everything he did had to

766
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,100
be given over to the government because

767
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:01,679
they were funding it so look I think

768
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:04,020
it's awesome I think um I think it's

769
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:06,659
exciting I think it's another part of

770
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:10,320
the puzzle to fit together and um yeah

771
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:12,360
man let's hope to the stars and the guys

772
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:13,860
over at Skinwalker can get together

773
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,659
could you own can you imagine what they

774
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,039
could do if they put the resources

775
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,500
together uh that would pick like a good

776
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:21,120
Christmas special Christmas is always

777
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:22,919
good for crossovers like Simpson's

778
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:24,899
Family Guy all that kind of stuff you

779
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:26,279
could have like a History Channel you

780
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,659
know get those guys involved with each

781
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,299
other Brandon Fuego talking ilazon or

782
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:32,700
Tom Delong would be would be pretty cool

783
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,399
um but yeah I'd be all for that the New

784
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:37,919
York Times articles now they've we've

785
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:41,039
had the Big Splash in December 2017 we

786
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:43,020
have had a couple of follow-up articles

787
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:45,000
and I think some people forget get that

788
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,500
it's not just been two articles there's

789
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:48,000
been quite a lot of little PCS and

790
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,559
Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal were

791
00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:51,360
quite Keen to say that that this is

792
00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:53,100
something they've continued to report on

793
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:55,020
albeit it's not always been the big

794
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,419
headline stories what's your thoughts

795
00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:59,820
been on the impact they've had and do

796
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,320
you feel there's more to come from the

797
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,200
New York Times

798
00:33:09,889 --> 00:33:05,700
absolutely there is more to come I mean

799
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,899
if you look at the last two articles a

800
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,000
lot of people were you know a little

801
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,919
deflated on the information brought

802
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:15,659
forward a lot of it was already out

803
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:18,659
there in the public and um like you

804
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,419
mentioned earlier like a page 17 that's

805
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:23,580
that's easy to miss let's be completely

806
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:26,220
honest it's not on the cover

807
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:28,200
um so a lot of people may not have even

808
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:32,039
read it but now you have this this uh

809
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,860
this buzzword I guess buzzwords of

810
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,080
off-world vehicles and that's what's out

811
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,240
there now and that was interesting that

812
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:41,940
it came like what some 15 paragraphs

813
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,000
into the the initial article

814
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,179
um not the 2017 one but the current one

815
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,640
um like really you're gonna bury the

816
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:52,799
lead that far into the article but again

817
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,740
that all comes down to the editors

818
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:57,360
um and the people at the New York Times

819
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:00,600
I'm sure there was more to this article

820
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:04,080
that Leslie and Ralph worked on that did

821
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,940
not make it in and none of us could

822
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:07,740
pretend to have an answer to why that is

823
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,500
or or uh or how but I thought the the

824
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:15,839
first article was interesting

825
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,220
um I am still really on the fence with

826
00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:23,099
the quotes by Reed and Eric Davis and

827
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,379
all of that controversy behind the

828
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:27,659
off-world vehicle comments

829
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:29,639
um because it seems like

830
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:32,280
it's just messy man it's messy and the

831
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,960
fact that the New York Times didn't put

832
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:36,480
an exact quote or source to where that

833
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:39,780
information came from uh I don't

834
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,899
understand why someone who carefully

835
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:45,359
vets and fact checks as much as the New

836
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,300
York Times does why they would do that I

837
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:50,099
don't blame Ralph or Leslie for that

838
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,919
they stick firmly to the article they

839
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:55,200
wrote and um

840
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,060
that's what we have but I know Ralph has

841
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,040
said there's more to come and if this is

842
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,960
how it's going to come like maybe one

843
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:03,599
paragraph at a time mixed in with all

844
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:05,880
this other sort of surface level stuff

845
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,000
or um already substantiated things

846
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,180
that's fine you know we are used to

847
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:13,800
reading between the lines in this field

848
00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:15,420
and maybe that's the way we're going to

849
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,700
get it now I don't know but uh yeah I

850
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,640
thought the Articles were interesting uh

851
00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:23,040
they weren't the bombshell that 2017 was

852
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,579
but Leslie Kane even said it's hard to

853
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:28,980
to really live up to that one because we

854
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,380
had so much information we dropped it

855
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:33,420
all at once and that's a powerful thing

856
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,839
to do and I do think you know slow and

857
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:39,359
steady horse wins the race so hopefully

858
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:41,099
we'll get more as time goes on but I

859
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,380
have no doubt we're not done um just

860
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:46,079
from a business stance the clicks and

861
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,640
reads that they get from these UFO

862
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:49,980
articles are massive so they're of

863
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:51,060
course they're going to keep doing it

864
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:53,460
just from a business stance and now it's

865
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,560
up to Ralph and Leslie and whoever or

866
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,839
else is writing about it for that venue

867
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,540
to do it as best they can in a

868
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:02,640
responsible light in a fact by fact

869
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,980
basis and maybe we will get more

870
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:06,599
information on these off-world vehicles

871
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,740
I don't know

872
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:10,320
yeah I think the like Tim McMillan said

873
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:12,300
wasn't around a thousand words he was

874
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:13,619
under the impression had been cut out of

875
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,000
it which was around about half the

876
00:36:19,550 --> 00:36:17,040
article and I wonder if this is an

877
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,560
opinion but is it a tactic from from a

878
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,119
journalistic perspective and if you're

879
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,040
one of the multiple editors looking to

880
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:24,900
put that sort of incredible story in

881
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,720
your in your publication did you just

882
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,820
drop something in there that that

883
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,640
fantastic if we want to use that word in

884
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:35,280
you know paragraph 15 about off-world

885
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:37,140
Vehicles because you've put it there

886
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,940
it's out there but you've dangled the

887
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:41,280
carrot and it's just it's it's buried

888
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:43,859
but it's buried in plain sight and then

889
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,020
in future the tactic is you bring that a

890
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:47,760
little bit further forward and then it's

891
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:49,079
on a bigger article it's a bit more

892
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,060
detail on it and it's that drip feeding

893
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,280
of information because maybe it is a

894
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:54,960
little bit too you know world news today

895
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:58,680
to just put that on a front page and I

896
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:59,579
mean there's not going to be a picture

897
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:01,500
of a crash Flying Saucer you know that

898
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:04,380
that's just a fact so maybe this is like

899
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,820
you're saying slow and steady wins the

900
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,260
race the information is there it's

901
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,359
slowly coming out as frustrating as that

902
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,700
might be but the big thing for me is

903
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,400
this has to go more International as

904
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,619
well there's there's a world outside of

905
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:18,000
the United States

906
00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:19,560
and

907
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:21,500
they've got the part to play in this too

908
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:24,180
uh the UK obviously I've talked about

909
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,859
this recently more and more it's

910
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:27,359
frustrating for me because the story

911
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:30,540
gets no coverage here it's uh on our

912
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,820
news site you'll get Sky News or BBC

913
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,560
News the biggest companies and there

914
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:37,440
might be a number nine trending on the

915
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,920
website as you know us DOD confirms UFO

916
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:43,200
video as real and that's it it's nothing

917
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:44,820
more than a reference at the side of the

918
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:47,820
scroll on the page there's no coin on it

919
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,859
they're not particularly interested you

920
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,359
know Jerry mccorbell done a radio

921
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,579
interviewer on one of the BBC Radio

922
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:55,680
shows the other day but there's multiple

923
00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:59,099
BBC Radio channels and again it's it's a

924
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:01,380
media that it's not getting the the

925
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:02,700
nation's eye and it's just something

926
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,980
that particularly in the UK in Britain

927
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,599
in general the appetite isn't there for

928
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:08,520
it we would need something a bit bigger

929
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:10,020
and more Sensational to be in the news

930
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:11,880
you know for for the story to really

931
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,140
take off but for me the International

932
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:15,119
Community has to get more involved and

933
00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:17,880
it would be interesting to see as we saw

934
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:20,180
a little bit of an identified episode

935
00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:22,680
you know going through South America and

936
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,359
talking to these delegates and

937
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,240
government officials but we know South

938
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:29,280
America has that history and I think

939
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,619
that connection's still with this type

940
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,599
of phenomena the reporter on the news

941
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,960
you see clips and UFO sightings being

942
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,240
reported as this was seen today above

943
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,280
you know some you know Mexican city or

944
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,960
I'm not saying every night but it

945
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:44,460
happens that you would never get that in

946
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,380
the UK it would never happen here it

947
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,720
would be a laughing you know joke

948
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,700
original news story and that would be it

949
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:52,800
so that that's where I think there's a

950
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,540
lot of work still to be done but yeah

951
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,760
hopefully there's more still to come in

952
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,800
the near future as well uh two more

953
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,060
topics you want to get your your

954
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,680
thoughts on and you touched on it

955
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:03,300
earlier you've got the Senate

956
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,740
intelligence committee

957
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:06,720
as in the last three months I've learned

958
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,220
more about U.S politics than I ever

959
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:09,839
could have at school

960
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:12,720
um the the big headline from the recent

961
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,720
you know acts where the UAP task force

962
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:18,480
being mentioned as a thing and again

963
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:22,560
that's another 2020 craziest that we are

964
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,079
talking about UAP task forces being

965
00:39:30,589 --> 00:39:28,320
created but space force sounded crazy

966
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,599
enough but we've now got a UAP task

967
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:32,579
force what are your thoughts on the UAP

968
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:35,880
task force and what it's going to be

969
00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:40,619
I'm I'm excited and I'm also hesitant

970
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:42,680
um I I do

971
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:46,740
wonder what the true impetus is behind

972
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,920
this Andy and I mean I I think it's very

973
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,960
good that Chris Mellon had a lot to do

974
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,480
with how this bill is being drafted the

975
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,520
wording what will be made available to

976
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:58,740
the public what will not

977
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:01,079
um I think it's good I think it's it was

978
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,700
carefully done

979
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:04,920
um and I think it'll be interesting to

980
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,619
see how it plays out I believe that this

981
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,420
bill in the United States will pass

982
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,720
because I think there is uh no reason

983
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:14,520
not to do it

984
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:16,680
um but at the same time we have to

985
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:20,099
wonder why and who's involved and um

986
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,099
look Marco Rubio has been extremely

987
00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:26,220
vocal about it and he's brought up some

988
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:28,339
good points like

989
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:31,859
are these UFOs could they be rushing

990
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,480
could they be from China are they

991
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:35,280
extraterrestrial and he made a good

992
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,079
point of saying I almost hope that it's

993
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:39,359
extraterrestrial because if it is a

994
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:42,119
rival Nation or another you know

995
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:44,820
um you know bordering state doing things

996
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:47,700
that we we are not privy to uh that is

997
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,339
almost scarier and I tend to agree with

998
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:52,560
them with that so um I think it's

999
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,500
interesting UFO task force uh that's a

1000
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:57,480
very loaded term

1001
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:59,640
um they're saying that it's being done

1002
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:01,619
through the uh you know the naval

1003
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:03,480
intelligence which is interesting

1004
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:06,300
because we've heard of these individuals

1005
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,980
within the naval intelligence here in

1006
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:09,599
the United States being involved with a

1007
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,300
lot of other UFO cases uh Bob Lazar says

1008
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,680
that he met with some of these

1009
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:15,900
individuals uh the rendelsham guys say

1010
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:17,700
that Naval intelligence was on the base

1011
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,520
with OSI interviewing them during their

1012
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:23,339
experiences so yeah that's that's a

1013
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:25,560
fascinating part of the New York Times

1014
00:41:28,430 --> 00:41:27,000
article the recent one that I don't

1015
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,440
think a lot of people really paid

1016
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:30,900
attention to is why is this being handed

1017
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:32,760
over to Naval intelligence is it because

1018
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:36,420
of the new Naval protocol of reporting

1019
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:38,099
UFOs I don't know

1020
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,260
um it's interesting so yeah

1021
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,240
um I'm hesitant because of the

1022
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:44,880
classified nature of this bill and um

1023
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,460
what we will be privy to we might not

1024
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:49,680
get anything or we might get some really

1025
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:51,900
cool new videos or

1026
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,660
um testimony but that classified nature

1027
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,180
of it is where I'm like ah they could

1028
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,099
slap anything classified and we won't

1029
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,480
get anything

1030
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:02,280
um so I think there are political moves

1031
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:04,440
being done by those involved

1032
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,560
um I think there's uh altruistic moves

1033
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:10,020
being done by other people involved with

1034
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:13,140
it and uh I look forward to seeing where

1035
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:16,020
it goes it's interesting and um never

1036
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,460
thought I'd see the day where we'd hear

1037
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:20,640
the term UFO task force uh but we're

1038
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,920
living it man and uh we gotta ride that

1039
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,720
wave and uh hopefully it won't be a

1040
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:26,880
Project Blue Book part two where it's

1041
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,339
all just to downplay it and uh you know

1042
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:31,380
find a prosaic explanation whether there

1043
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:34,859
is one or not and uh if anything it can

1044
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,380
keeps the conversation going

1045
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,020
it does and the last one I like to ask

1046
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:41,760
all my guests Ryan what are your

1047
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:49,910
we're living it and uh I don't

1048
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,619
you know I I think that's it I think

1049
00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:55,440
that the New York Times article was a

1050
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,300
huge disclosure the 2017 I think uh

1051
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:02,460
disclosure happened for Kevin Day when

1052
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:03,960
he tracked those UFOs I think it

1053
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:06,540
happened for fravor when he saw it

1054
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:09,300
um I think the individual level of this

1055
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,640
Andy is where it's at and how disclosure

1056
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:14,280
happens person by person experience by

1057
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,339
experience I do not believe we're ever

1058
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:20,160
going to get that White House Press

1059
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:22,200
Conference here in the United States or

1060
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:24,599
in Parliament elsewhere or in Mexico

1061
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:27,420
China Japan whatever it may be I don't

1062
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,500
think all the world governments are

1063
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:30,420
going to come together and say aliens

1064
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,460
are real they've been here

1065
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,200
um you know they've crashed here they've

1066
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:36,720
landed here uh we knew about it sorry

1067
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:38,040
about that

1068
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:39,420
um I don't think that's ever going to

1069
00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:40,980
happen we're getting an interesting

1070
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,859
rollout by the New York Times and by

1071
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:46,200
diligent researchers putting in so much

1072
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,839
effort to get information out there and

1073
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:51,599
maybe we can force the hand of

1074
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,839
World governments or the government of

1075
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:57,119
our respective Nations to tell us what

1076
00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:58,980
they know but I don't think it's going

1077
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:01,740
to happen man I I think their their hand

1078
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:03,420
would have to be forced by the

1079
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,099
phenomenon itself and I think that's

1080
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:06,960
what's happening witnessed by witness

1081
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:09,420
experience or by experiencer and maybe

1082
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:11,099
gradually we will get to a point where

1083
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,319
we can all accept that something is

1084
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:15,960
going on and it could change Humanity

1085
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,420
forever whether that's good or bad

1086
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:20,520
awesome quick fire you can see as little

1087
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:22,140
and as much as you like going each each

1088
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:23,339
one but it's just some of the topics

1089
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,780
that we've not necessarily managed to

1090
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,520
get to within the body of the interview

1091
00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:28,319
so the first one would be your thoughts

1092
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:30,980
onto the Stars Academy

1093
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,500
yeah well they certainly uh done a lot

1094
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,660
to get our interest in the topic going

1095
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,839
without them we wouldn't have Congress

1096
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:42,000
taking it seriously yeah they brought it

1097
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,260
to the news

1098
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,900
I certainly don't agree of looking at

1099
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:48,000
things in terms of a threat that

1100
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,060
necessarily don't understand but maybe

1101
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,560
that's not the way they really see it

1102
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,300
maybe it's just to you know get interest

1103
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:56,880
from the government to take this issue

1104
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:58,200
seriously so they're certainly an

1105
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,400
important player on the stage and

1106
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:01,440
they've done a lot to move the field

1107
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,520
forward

1108
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,099
no that's great uh angle Swan would be

1109
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:07,200
the next one

1110
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:09,540
well I was lucky enough to meet Ingo at

1111
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:12,060
conferences and even to visit him

1112
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,140
about a week before he passed on uh

1113
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:18,240
certainly you know a really amazing

1114
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:20,819
person that opened our eyes to these

1115
00:45:23,770 --> 00:45:22,980
topics he was the ultimate stubborn

1116
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:23,780
person

1117
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:26,880
going back to that Einstein quote he

1118
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,119
would not give in and he would not quit

1119
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:34,079
until Russell Target now put up let him

1120
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,359
try out his coordinate system and his

1121
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:38,160
other ways of doing viewing so without

1122
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:41,819
Ingo uh we wouldn't be as far along as

1123
00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:45,300
we are now with a lot of uh RV and some

1124
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:47,099
of these other topics yeah it was

1125
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,300
certainly someone who when you think

1126
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:50,400
about thinking outside the box he was

1127
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,200
outside the box and thinking outside of

1128
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:54,720
that box as well so uh definitely

1129
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:56,220
someone who it was a huge part of that

1130
00:46:03,050 --> 00:45:59,579
this whole subject and for you would you

1131
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,060
go with UFO or UAP

1132
00:46:07,069 --> 00:46:04,800
you know

1133
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,079
it's fine to change the names of things

1134
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,900
because if you call it UAP it doesn't

1135
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,960
have the baggage maybe the UFOs do but

1136
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:15,119
we don't want to leave UFOs behind

1137
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:16,920
either I mean

1138
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:20,220
we've had a hundred years of this weird

1139
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,599
and freaky phenomena we called UFOs so

1140
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:26,400
if you want to call them uaps because

1141
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:27,720
that's again calling it like remote

1142
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,079
viewing if it's more acceptable to the

1143
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:33,480
mainstream media and the government to

1144
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:35,339
refer to it that way then that's

1145
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:38,099
obviously okay because they feel like oh

1146
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:39,960
it's a you know politically correct to

1147
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,700
talk about this topic now so maybe

1148
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,400
that's what we need to bring it more

1149
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,079
into the mainstream

1150
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:48,599
the next one is someone who has a

1151
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:51,420
massive say in both to the Stars Academy

1152
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,060
to the Stars Academy and resonance

1153
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:57,060
viewing it would be Halford of

1154
00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:00,119
yeah I mean how the fascinating thing

1155
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,000
about how we knew him as someone

1156
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,280
involved in remote viewing research he

1157
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,160
was a laser physicist like Russell targ

1158
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:11,280
he got interested in the subject he got

1159
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:17,809
um and we all knew him as this person

1160
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,220
who you know apart from studying other

1161
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:23,280
topics in physics uh kind of like exotic

1162
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,839
vacuum objects and ball lightning

1163
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,280
Casimir effect these other interesting

1164
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:29,280
Quantum phenomena we knew him in an RV

1165
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:31,880
but it was quite a shock when he told us

1166
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:35,700
in 2018 at the irva SSE conference that

1167
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:37,380
he had also been studying UFOs this

1168
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:40,740
whole time too for the government

1169
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,020
so there's still probably a lot about

1170
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,540
how that we don't know but he's

1171
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:47,280
certainly been a very important player

1172
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:50,040
to bring this out to the public and to

1173
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,480
kind of be this go-between I guess

1174
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:53,040
between the government and the rest of

1175
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,420
us to tell us what they've really been

1176
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,160
looking at

1177
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:58,800
the next one would be Antarctica as a

1178
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:03,890
yeah it's not something I really know a

1179
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:06,300
huge amount about

1180
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:07,020
um

1181
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,420
perhaps we'll uncover what's ever going

1182
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:11,640
on there I just hear the same thing that

1183
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,380
the rest of you hear so I don't really

1184
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,119
have any special information about

1185
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,040
Antarctica

1186
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,920
apart from these ideas that you know

1187
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:21,599
we've been exposed to that perhaps

1188
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:23,220
there's more going on there than we know

1189
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,839
about

1190
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:26,579
certainly on the last one I'd like to

1191
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:28,260
finish off with all my guests as

1192
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:30,180
disclosure what are your thoughts what

1193
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:31,619
is disclosure

1194
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:34,440
well it's obviously it's this topic of

1195
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:35,520
the day

1196
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:39,000
and uh it's coming at us but again

1197
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,160
the main thing I would reinforce is that

1198
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:47,040
it's our own inner disclosure that has

1199
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,619
to accompany the outer disclosure that's

1200
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:51,599
my personal bent on all this

1201
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,060
you can only go so far on the outside as

1202
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:55,920
you're willing to go on the inside

1203
00:49:02,030 --> 00:48:59,520
because any new information Paradigm

1204
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:02,040
change demands things of you too right

1205
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:04,140
it's not a free ride

1206
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:08,339
it demands that you change and you step

1207
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,940
up to play a bigger role so uh you need

1208
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,319
to think about in terms of your own

1209
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,900
development to match the disclosure on

1210
00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:17,160
the outside I think the pace of

1211
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:18,619
disclosure

1212
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:21,660
will go as fast as we're comfortable

1213
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:23,339
with it and those of us that are

1214
00:49:28,609 --> 00:49:25,140
involved in this research

1215
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,619
uh need to be constantly you know

1216
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,960
stepping up our game

1217
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,119
and personally on a creative level like

1218
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,700
your listener asked before to be fully

1219
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,619
there to be fully present and to

1220
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:39,839
withhold judgment but to be looking at

1221
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:41,540
new information

1222
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,760
to see this in the biggest possible way

1223
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,040
rather than fitting it in to a

1224
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,920
pre-existing box that is all from last

1225
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:51,599
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1226
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